Canlyniadau 101–120 o 1250 ar gyfer speaker:Mr Moss Turner-Samuels

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: I was not referring to any arguments advanced on Second Reading. I was referring to the main argument advanced by abolitionists on this subject; and whether hon. Members who hold these views like it or not they must be made to listen.

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: It is because what I am saying is in order, and because they know its effect, that hon. Gentlemen do not wish to listen to me. The abolitionists say that capital punishment exists, yet there is murder. So, they argue, capital punishment is not a deterrent. That is just as logical as to say that surgical operations are carried out to prevent people from dying, yet people who have undergone...

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: I am putting forward a very serious Amendment, and I am trying to justify it by these arguments. I do not see how my Amendment can be justified unless these arguments are advanced. While the abolitionists complain about judicial fallibility, they desire the Committee to accept their own infallibility. They say that if we get rid of the death penalty, there will be no greater danger of...

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: That kind of thing is really quite unjustified, Sir Charles. I have already explained what is the effect of my Amendment. I started out most carefully and meticulously to explain that, and now I am trying by argument to justify my Amendment. I come now to what I hope will not be objected to as a Second Reading speech, the question of criminal statistics, which I think most important. The...

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: From time to time we have heard a number of long speeches from those in favour of the abolition of the death penalty. I feel it my duty to support my Amendment by the facts to which I was referring. I am not prepared to ask the Committee to accept the Amendment without giving some facts to justify it. I believe that nothing can justify it more than these details that I am giving with...

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: It is seen quite clearly that there are fewer murders committed, but that there is more violence. In those circumstances, the removal of the death penalty would be quite ineffective—

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: The reason I want the death penalty retained is that the reduction in the number of murders results from the deterrent that the death penalty provides. What I am seeking to show is that heavy imprisonment is common for acts of violence, sometimes for as long as ten, twelve and fourteen years, and yet that does not act as a deterrent. The abolitionists are now seeking to substitute...

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: I am trying to follow my hon. Friend.

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: That is highly speculative, like my hon. Friend's argument.

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: How I can say what would have happened five years ago because of something that has not yet taken place but may take place, I find it very difficult to follow. What I do say to my hon. Friend in reply to his statistical question is that he is asking the Committee to remove this deterrent without being able—

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: I am answering my hon. Friend.

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: No, I have not. The main answer is this, and I ask the Committee to think on it very carefully. My hon. Friend is asking the Committee to get rid of a deterrent—[An HON. MEMBER: "No."] Yes—in regard to the worst crime in the land, without being able to give a guarantee to the Committee that if we do get rid of it the number of those crimes will not be increased.

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: On a point of order. It will be within your recollection, Sir Charles, that I was repeatedly interrupted—[An HON. MEMBER: "And refused to give way."]—by points of order. I have noticed that ever since resumed my seat the same so-called digressions have been made by those who raised the points of order. 5.15 p.m. My hon. Friend has not followed the point I was making and is entirely...

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: On a point of order. I was kept strictly to the Amendment, Sir Charles, and you have already ruled that it is not proper for any reference to be made to the other Amendments the way that my hon. Friend is now referring to them.

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: Is not the statement which the hon. and gallant Gentleman read out merely one of bravado by a man who is caught after the event and not before it?

Orders of the Day — Death Penalty (Abolition) Bill: Clause 1. — (Abolition of Death Penalty.) (25 Ebr 1956)

Mr Moss Turner-Samuels: On a point of order, Sir Rhys. As I think that the hon. Gentleman is deliberately misrepresenting me, I want to correct him.


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