Amendment 68

Part of Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Bill - Report (2nd Day) – in the House of Lords am 5:15 pm ar 13 Mawrth 2024.

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Photo of Lord Stevenson of Balmacara Lord Stevenson of Balmacara Shadow Spokesperson (Science, Innovation and Technology) 5:15, 13 Mawrth 2024

My Lords, this is a wide-ranging group; there is good news hidden in the middle of it, and bad news—we will have to wait for the Minister to respond to get a full picture. Others have spoken in some depth and so I will not try to repeat what has been said. I certainly will not try to follow the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, whose expertise exceeds the combination of everybody’s in the Chamber at present. On SEPs, I can only stand back in amazement that he has been able to understand what is being recommended by the IPO, let alone to have come forward with a plan that might take us a bit further down the track that we clearly ought to have gone down.

I turn first to the questions the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, raised, which cut to the heart of what, is in some senses, the purpose of the Bill. I am afraid that she rather weakened her case at the end by saying that it was a much broader basis for debate and discussion than could be encompassed within this Bill; I think she saw it primarily as a way of continuing a much larger battle, and I wish her well with that. In that sense, we do not need to take this forward. However, I hope that the Government are taking note of the impacts that some of the provisions in the Bill are having, in the sense that it is not achieving the aims and objectives, which I think we all share, of making sure that we reduce carbon and try to meet targets which have been set for us in the long term on this. Therefore, greenwashing will continue, but we hope that it will be better in scope and that the focus will be more across the range of government activity.

On imitation packaging, as the noble Lord, Lord Clement- Jones, said, we have also been discussing this for a number of years in various Bills as they have come forward, and it is good that the assertion now is that in Clause 224 and Schedule 19, there will be help. However, the question is, of course, enforcement. I would be grateful if, when the Minister comes to respond, he could give us a bit more information about how that might happen in practice.

The questions raised by the noble Earl, Lord Lindsay, and supported by “the team”, as it was described, are a continuation of debates and discussions we have been having in this House for as long as I have been here—and I certainly have participated in them. It is good to see the government amendments in as far as they go, but the three remaining questions, as raised in Amendments 99, 100 and 101, need answers. I hope the Minister will expand on where the Government have taken us so far and give us some assurances.

If it is really the case that we are requiring a limited number and badly resourced group of trading standards officers to have a physical presence in order to exercise their duties, there must be a better way of doing it. If it is difficult for them to cross boundaries, surely we could use this debate to, at the very least, make it clear from the Dispatch Box that the issues are in two parts, as has been said, and the part that can be effected—the ability to pursue across a boundary—is not constrained by the existing law. That would be helpful.

The longer-term question is around resources for TSOs. They are the unsung, underpaid and under- resourced champions of consumers. How can we resolve this? Every time this comes up, we make the same plea that we must make sure that they are properly resourced, for some time, through local government, but that should not mean that their funding and resources need to be as constrained as the rest of local government services. They do such an important job; surely we can get some movement on that.

On the narrow question raised by Amendments 91 and 92 of how to make sure that businesses get assured advice, the case has been well made by the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones. However, a clear statement from the Dispatch Box, or at least a letter consequent to the debate, would help make sure there was progress.

The question of the IPO’s report and the licensing of standard essential patents has been a continuous problem. The noble Lord has made a number of proposals, which I think are absolutely appropriate and something about which the Government could do more. There is an unhappy balance between the CMA’s powers and where the IPO’s responsibilities and background impact more generally on intellectual property, but no action ever seems to emerge from that. When can we see this happen?