Informing and Consulting Employees

European Community Documents – in the House of Commons am 1:50 am ar 9 Gorffennaf 1991.

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That this House takes note of European Community Document No. 4466/91 relating to the establishment of European Works Councils; endorses the conclusions of the Madrid and Rome European Councils that measures taken in the field of social affairs should have full regard to the effects on job creation, the principle of subsidiarity and the diversity of national traditions and practices; supports the Government's view that the draft directive is incompatible with these conclusions; and endorses the Government's proposal for a Community initiative on employee involvement which might take the form of a Council recommendation or resolution.—[Mr. Nicholas Baker.]Amendment proposed, leave out from second 'Councils' to end and add:— `draws attention to the Government's consistent refusal to advance the interests of the British working people on any matter where the Social Charter and its action programme are concerned; and deplores the Government's refusal to play a constructive role in producing a Directive which will ensure that British workers have the same rights as their counterparts on the Continent.'.—[Mr. Haynes.]Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 102 (European Standing Committees), That the amendment be made:

The House divided: Ayes 23, Noes 108.

Division No. 207][2.27 am
AYES
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)Lewis, Terry
Beith, A. J.McAvoy, Thomas
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Campbell-Savours, D. N.Meale, Alan
Carr, MichaelPowell, Ray (Ogmore)
Cox, TomSkinner, Dennis
Cryer, BobWallace, James
Dewar, DonaldWise, Mrs Audrey
Dixon, Don
Foster, DerekTellers for the Ayes:
Fyfe, MariaMr. Frank Haynes and
Godman, Dr Norman A.Mrs. Llin Golding.
Grocott, Bruce
NOES
Arbuthnot, JamesJopling, Rt Hon Michael
Arnold, Sir ThomasKing, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Atkins, RobertKirkhope, Timothy
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Knapman, Roger
Baldry, TonyKnight, Greg (Derby North)
Bellingham, HenryLeigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Blackburn, Dr John G.Lightbown, David
Boswell, TimLilley, Rt Hon Peter
Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaLloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Brazier, JulianMaclean, David
Bright, GrahamMcLoughlin, Patrick
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's)Mans, Keith
Burns, SimonMarshall, John (Hendon S)
Butterfill, JohnMartin, David (Portsmouth S)
Carrington, MatthewMaude, Hon Francis
Cash, WilliamMawhinney, Dr Brian
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs LyndaMaxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Chapman, SydneyMitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Chope, ChristopherMonro, Sir Hector
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Moss, Malcolm
Colvin, MichaelMoynihan, Hon Colin
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Nicholls, Patrick
Cope, Rt Hon Sir JohnNorris, Steve
Currie, Mrs EdwinaOppenheim, Phillip
Davis, David (Boothferry)Paice, James
Dorrell, StephenPatnick, Irvine
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesPatten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)
Durant, Sir AnthonyPatten, Rt Hon John
Eggar, TimPortillo, Michael
Emery, Sir PeterRedwood, John
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)Renton, Rt Hon Tim
Fallon, MichaelRoberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)Ryder, Rt Hon Richard
Forth, EricSackville, Hon Tom
Freeman, RogerSayeed, Jonathan
Goodlad, AlastairShephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Greenway, John (Ryedale)Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Gregory, ConalStern, Michael
Ground, PatrickStevens, Lewis
Gummer, Rt Hon John SelwynStewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Hague, WilliamStewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Hamilton, Rt Hon ArchieTaylor, Ian (Esher)
Harris, DavidTaylor, John M (Solihull)
Heathcoat-Amory, DavidThompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)Thurnham, Peter
Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)Tredinnick, David
Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)Twinn, Dr Ian
Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)Widdecombe, Ann
Hunt, Rt Hon DavidYeo, Tim
Irvine, MichaelYoung, Sir George (Acton)
Jack, Michael
Jackson, RobertTellers for the Noes:
Janman, TimMr. Timothy Wood and
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)Mr. Neil Hamilton.

Question accordingly negatived.

Main Question put forthwith, pursuant to the Standing Order:

The House divided: Ayes 108, Noes 23.

Division No. 208][2.37 am
AYES
Arbuthnot, JamesKing, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Arnold, Sir ThomasKirkhope, Timothy
Atkins, RobertKnapman, Roger
Baldry, TonyKnight, Greg (Derby North)
Bellingham, HenryLeigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Blackburn, Dr John G.Lightbown, David
Boswell, TimLilley, Rt Hon Peter
Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaLloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Brazier, JulianMaclean, David
Bright, GrahamMcLoughlin, Patrick
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's)Mans, Keith
Burns, SimonMarshall, John (Hendon S)
Butterfill, JohnMartin, David (Portsmouth S)
Carrington, MatthewMaude, Hon Francis
Cash, WilliamMawhinney, Dr Brian
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs LyndaMaxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Chope, ChristopherMitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Monro, Sir Hector
Colvin, MichaelMoss, Malcolm
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Moynihan, Hon Colin
Cope, Rt Hon Sir JohnNicholls, Patrick
Currie, Mrs EdwinaNorris, Steve
Davis, David (Boothferry)Oppenheim, Phillip
Dorrell, StephenPaice, James
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord JamesPatnick, Irvine
Durant, Sir AnthonyPatten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)
Eggar, TimPatten, Rt Hon John
Emery, Sir PeterPortillo, Michael
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)Redwood, John
Fallon, MichaelRenton, Rt Hon Tim
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn
Forth, EricRyder, Rt Hon Richard
Freeman, RogerSackville, Hon Tom
Goodlad, AlastairSayeed, Jonathan
Greenway, John (Ryedale)Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Gregory, ConalSmith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Ground, PatrickStern, Michael
Gummer, Rt Hon John SelwynStevens, Lewis
Hague, WilliamStewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Hamilton, Rt Hon ArchieStewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Harris, DavidTaylor, John M (Solihull)
Heathcoat-Amory, DavidThompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)Thurnham, Peter
Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)Tredinnick, David
Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)Twinn, Dr Ian
Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)Widdecombe, Ann
Hunt, Rt Hon DavidWood, Timothy
Irvine, MichaelYeo, Tim
Jack, MichaelYoung, Sir George (Acton)
Jackson, Robert
Janman, TimTellers for the Ayes:
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)Mr. Sydney Chapman and
Jopling, Rt Hon MichaelMr. Nicholas Baker.
NOES
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)Grocott, Bruce
Beith, A. J.Lewis, Terry
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Campbell-Savours, D. N.Meale, Alan
Carr, MichaelPowell, Ray (Ogmore)
Cox, TomSkinner, Dennis
Cryer, BobWallace, James
Dewar, DonaldWise, Mrs Audrey
Dixon, Don
Foster, DerekTellers for the Noes:
Fyfe, MariaMr. Frank Haynes and
Godman, Dr Norman A.Mr. Thomas McAvoy.
Golding, Mrs Llin

Question accoringly agreed to.

Resolved,That this House takes note of European Community Document No. 4466/91 relating to the establishment of European Works Councils; endorses the conclusions of the Madrid and Rome European Councils that measures taken in the field of social affairs should have full regard to the effects on job creation, the principle of subsidiarity and the diversity of national traditions and practices; supports the Government's view that the draft directive is incompatible with these conclusions; and endorses the Government's proposal for a Community initiative on employee involvement which might take the form of a Council recommendation or resolution.

Amendment

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division

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