– in the House of Commons am 12:00 am ar 19 Chwefror 1970.
Mr Edward Heath
, Bexley
12:00,
19 Chwefror 1970
May I ask the Leader of the House whether he will state the business of the House for next week?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
Yes Sir. The business for next week will be as follows.
MONDAY, 23RD FEBRUARY—Private Members' Motions until 7 o'clock.
Afterwards, the Chairman of Ways and Means has named Opposed Private Business for consideration.
TUESDAY, 24TH FEBRUARY—Debate on a Motion to take note of the white paper on Britain and the European Communities, (Command No. 4289).
Lords Amendments to the Insolvency Services (Accounting and Investment) Bill.
WEDNESDAY, 25TH FEBRUARY—Supply [14th Allotted Day]:
Conclusion of the debate on Britain and the European Communities.
Motion on the Drivers' Hours (Passenger Vehicles) (Modifications) Order.
THURSDAY, 26TH FEBRUARY—Second Reading of the Local Authority Social Services Bill.
Motions on the Double Taxation Relief (Trinidad and Tobago) Order and on the Income Tax Transitional Relief Orders.
FRIDAY, 27TH FEBRUARY—Private Members' Bills.
MONDAY, 2ND MARCH—Second Reading of the Employed Persons (Health and Safety) Bill.
The House will wish to know that it is intended to propose that we should rise for the Easter Adjournment on Thursday, 26th March, until Monday, 6th April.
Mr Edward Heath
, Bexley
Will the Leader of the House tell us when he will provide time for a debate on the green paper on the National Health Service?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I cannot give a specific date, but very soon.
Mr Edward Heath
, Bexley
Before the Easter Recess?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I will examine this, but I cannot be specific. I believe that there should be a debate, but I cannot be specific. We will have talks through the usual channels.
Mr Roy Roebuck
, Harrow East
Can my right hon. Friend say when there will be a debate on the Defence white paper? Will he take into account the fact that the House will want rather more time than hitherto in view of President Nixon's speech last night, which set out some new developments in American defence policy?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
There will be the usual two-day debate. I hope that the House will be able to study all the documents. It will be all right: my hon. Friend need not worry.
Mr Jeremy Thorpe
, North Devon
Is it the Government's intention that the House will be given an opportunity to take note or otherwise of the white paper on the Reform of Local Government in England?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I should have thought that it would be sensible to take note.
Mr Jeremy Thorpe
, North Devon
On a point of order. No one heard the right hon. Gentleman.
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I am sorry. It is not my fault that the right hon. Gentleman did not hear. I said that I thought that it would be reasonable to take note.
Mr Jeremy Thorpe
, North Devon
Do we take it from that that there will be a debate?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
We were talking about yesterday's debate. I think that the right hon. Gentleman is anxious about the debate on the European Communities.
Mr Jeremy Thorpe
, North Devon
With great respect—
Dr Horace King
, Southampton, Itchen
Order. Only one question, even from right hon. Gentlemen. I have allowed two from the right hon. Member.
Mrs Renée Short
, Wolverhampton North East
Has my right hon. Friend now considered the possibility of the debate on the Select Committee's Report on Coloured School Leavers? When are we likely to have it?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I am dealing with next week's business and I cannot give any specific promise.
Mr Robin Turton
, Thirsk and Malton
In view of the large number of hon. Members who wish to take part in the debate on the white paper on Britain and the European Economic Communities, would the right hon. Gentleman consider suspending the rule on Tuesday for one or two hours so as to give more opportunity?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
Yes. I think that we can have a discussion through the usual channels on this matter.
Mr Russell Kerr
, Feltham
In view of the white-hot anger of the employees, may we expect a statement during the coming week from the Government about their derisory enhanced redundancy pay announcement in respect of the Beagle Aircraft Company?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I cannot give a promise on that.
Mr James Ramsden
, Harrogate
Why do we have the Defence Estimates, but no announcement about the new rates of Service pay, which, I understand, will cost a considerable sum of money? When can the House and the Services expect to have this information?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I hope very soon.
Mr Willie Hamilton
, Fife West
In view of the recent developments, may we have an assurance that before the Government announce their reaction to the proposals of the Select Committee's Report on Members' Interests (Declaration), we will ensure that the House has a full opportunity of debating that report?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I will consider that, but I am often chided, when a matter like this is discussed, for not giving leadership on this question.
Mr William Worsley
, Chelsea
About the debate on the Health Service green paper, which the right hon. Gentleman has promised, will he give an undertaking that he will arrange a debate on this before Thursday's business goes into Committee, since the two are so closely related?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
Yes, I will consider that.
Mr James Dickens
, Lewisham West
While bearing in mind that the House had a debate of sorts on broadcasting before the Christmas Recess, in view of the unprecedented outbreak of B.B.C. staff criticism about the corporation's future policy for sound radio, could the House not have an early debate on the whole question of sound broadcasting?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I cannot promise a debate next week, but I will note what has been said.
Mr James Dance
, Bromsgrove
Has the right hon. Gentleman seen Motion No. 139, relating to vicious television programmes?
[That hon. Members of this House are appalled at the film shown on BBCI onSunday evening, 15th February, 1970, because of the viciousness, savagery and brutality, which the producer described as a "comic strip", but which showed rape, beatings, flagellation, atrocities against the Jews and was an affront to those who believe in the Christian religion; and calls upon the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications to institute an inquiry as to who was responsible for this programme and to stop this so-called "entertainment" for the future.]
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I have seen the Motion, but matters of programme content are the responsibility of the broadcasting authorities. I will convey the hon. Member's views to my right hon. Friend.
Mr Dingle Foot
, Ipswich
In view of the recent Israeli aggression against the civilian population of Egypt, is it not a matter of urgency that we should debate the situation in the Middle East in the near future? Will my right hon. Friend make arrangements accordingly?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
No, I cannot promise a debate on this matter.
Mr David Renton
, Huntingdonshire
Can the right hon. Gentleman yet tell us the Government's intentions with regard to a debate on the Beeching Report and the Report on the Interpretation of Statutes?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I have told the right hon. and learned Gentleman that I will consider this sympathetically.
Mr Hector Hughes
, Aberdeen North
Will my right hon. Friend so alter the business for next week as to provide time for a debate on my Motion No. 143, dealing with a very important point of law, condition precedent to the debate on Monday on the Brighton Corporation Bill?
[That this House deprecates and rejects, as in breach of statute, the action of the Chairman of the Town Poll meeting held, in pursuance of statute, in Brighton for the purpose of considering, statutory words, the forthcoming Brighton Corporation Bill, in ruling that no questions from the floor or elsewhere would be allowed and in acting on that rulingthroughout the meeting; further expresses the view that the meeting so conducted and so limited did not and could not consider, according to statute, the elect of the Bill on the people, the trade, industry, employment, safety and residential amenities of the rich and poor of Brighton or of the rival town of Kemp Town about two miles from Brighton which would result from the Bill and on the old persons homes, nursing homes, schools, protective fire brigade station and other amenities and facilities already at Kemp Town and on the resulting dangers from increased traffic, from fire and from other consequential risks, and also that the Chairman's refusal to allow answers to questions on these and other relevant dangers to life, limb and property was a breach of statute law which breach made that meeting abortive and it should be so declared by this honourable House; and further recommends that any such question arising on the construction of the relevant statute should be referred to Mr. Attorney General, and that in the meantime the Bill should not be further considered by this honourable House.]
Dr Horace King
, Southampton, Itchen
Order. The hon. and learned Gentleman must not argue the merits of the very interesting debate which he wants to have.
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I have seen that Motion, but my hon. and learned Friend must know that the Government are not responsible for the conduct of Brighton Corporation's meetings. I cannot foresee time being available to debate that Motion.
Mr Hector Hughes
, Aberdeen North
On a point of order. Will you allow me to point out, Mr. Speaker, that this matter involves a matter of legal construction of a word that is very important to the people of Brighton, and which should be determined before the Brighton Corporation Bill is debated?
Dr Horace King
, Southampton, Itchen
Order. I was seized of the point the first time that the hon. and learned Gentleman made it. It is a point which he will no doubt make in the debate if the Leader of the House gives him time for a debate.
Mr Derek Walker-Smith
, Hertfordshire East
Further to the question of my right hon. Friend the Member for Thirsk and Malton (Mr. Turton) about the debate next Tuesday and Wednesday, and the right hon. Gentleman's sympathetic attitude thereto, will he ask his Ministerial colleagues to refrain from taking up time with Ministerial Statements on those two days?
Mr. Pearl:
I will consider this, but often it is necessary for a Minister to make an important statement which the House would like to have.
Mr Leslie Huckfield
, Nuneaton
May I draw my right hon. Friend's attention to Motion No. 127 in my name and the names of several hon. Members, calling for an early debate on air safety?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
Not next week, but I will note what my hon. Friend has said.
Mr Frederic Bennett
, Torquay
The right hon. Gentleman will not need telling that the Parliament of Malta has been made fully aware in the Press there of all the reasons for the breakdown and the deadlock in the negotiations on aid from this country. May we have a statement next week so that we Members of Parliament can eventually be told what everyone else knows already?
Mr Will Howie
, Luton
Further to the question of my hon. Friend the Member for Nuneaton (Mr. Leslie Huckfield), would my right hon. Friend bear in mind the importance of the question of air traffic control, especially in view of the developments of the Euro-control system?
Mr Ian MacArthur
, Perth and East Perthshire
Will the right hon. Gentleman give us an opportunity next week to debate the effect of today's defence statement on Scotland, particularly on Perth, where it will cost the city 500 jobs in addition to the 1,300 already lost under this Government?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I will convey the hon. Member's views, but no debate next week.
Mr Peter Jackson
, High Peak
May I press my right hon. Friend about his reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton) on Members' interests? Can he give an assurance that the Select Committee's Report will be debated before the House rises for the Easter Recess?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I cannot give a specific assurance on the date, but I would like to see the report debated and the Government to have an opportunity to express their opinion.
Mr David Mitchell
, Basingstoke
Will the right hon. Gentleman give time for a debate on the Industrial Relations (Improvement) Bill, in view of the record number of industrial disputes?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
No, I cannot accede to that.
Mr Hugh Jenkins
, Wandsworth Putney
Further to the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Lewisham, West (Mr. Dickens), would my right hon. Friend consider the Motion on the Order Paper, signed by more than 100 hon. Members, calling for a debate and for the setting up of a Royal Commission on the whole of the communications media?
[That this House, having regard to the difficulties and problems facing the communications media of this country, believes that a Royal Commission should be set up to examine the newspaper industry, radio and television transmission, and the On industry, with terms of reference to include what steps the Government or bodies set up by the Government should take for the avoidance of monopoly and for the protection and expansion of variety of ownership, influence and control in all areas, and especially in that of the free and various dissemination of news, views and debate, and that the terms of reference should also include a recommendation that the Royal Commission should examine the communications media of other countries and should make recommendations on the role of advertising in these media and on whatsteps should be taken to prevent the further reduction in the number of newspapers nationally and locally and to facilitate the establishing and financing of new and independent channels of communication, especially newspapers.]
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I have carefully noted all the Motions on the Order Paper, but I cannot promise time for a debate.
Miss Joan Vickers
, Plymouth, Devonport
As Thursday's debate is based on the Seebohm Report, which is important, and which makes fundamental changes in the social services, may I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether he can provide extra time for that debate?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I think that a whole day for a Second Reading debate is adequate. I agree that this is an important debate, but I think that hon. Members will he able to find time to make their points.
Mr Eric Lubbock
, Orpington
Does the right hon. Gentleman recall that last week I asked whether he would give extra time for the debate on local government reform, and he declined to do so, although in the event, at the beginning of yesterday's debate, Mr. Speaker had to say that no fewer than 35 Members wished to take part in the debate?
Will the right hon. Gentleman therefore pay a little more attention to the representations of the hon. Lady the Member for Plymouth, Devonport (Dame Joan Vickers) and other back benchers, and a little less to the representations which he receives from the Chief Whips, who are obviously totally out of touch with back bench opinion?
Mr Thomas Peart
, Workington
I think that the hon. Gentleman's remarks about two of our colleagues are unfair. The hon. Gentleman has made his point. I wrote to him explaining why I could not give time. I received no representations other than from him on this matter. I think that the time for next week is sensible.
Mr Julian Ridsdale
, Harwich
May I press the right hon. Gentleman again about Services pay? Does he realise that there is great uncertainty in the Services about this, and that it is not good enough to say "very soon". What does "very soon" mean?
Mr Edward Heath
, Bexley
The right hon. Gentleman seems to be going backwards on this subject, from "very soon" to "soon". In view of its importance, may I ask for an undertaking that a statement will be made before the debate on the white paper on Defence, including the total cost? It is important that we should have the details before the debate, and not have to wait until the Secretary of State's statement in the debate.
We on this side of the House would welcome extra time on the first day of the debate on Europe.
A document issued by the Government laying out its policy, or proposed policy, on a topic of current concern.Although a white paper may occasion consultation as to the details of new legislation, it does signify a clear intention on the part of a government to pass new law. This is a contrast with green papers, which are issued less frequently, are more open-ended and may merely propose a strategy to be implemented in the details of other legislation.
More from wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_paper
The Second Reading is the most important stage for a Bill. It is when the main purpose of a Bill is discussed and voted on. If the Bill passes it moves on to the Committee Stage. Further information can be obtained from factsheet L1 on the UK Parliament website.
A proposal for new legislation that is debated by Parliament.
A Green Paper is a tentative report of British government proposals without any commitment to action. Green papers may result in the production of a white paper.
From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_paper
Ministers make up the Government and almost all are members of the House of Lords or the House of Commons. There are three main types of Minister. Departmental Ministers are in charge of Government Departments. The Government is divided into different Departments which have responsibilities for different areas. For example the Treasury is in charge of Government spending. Departmental Ministers in the Cabinet are generally called 'Secretary of State' but some have special titles such as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Ministers of State and Junior Ministers assist the ministers in charge of the department. They normally have responsibility for a particular area within the department and are sometimes given a title that reflects this - for example Minister of Transport.
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The Attorney General has overall responsibility for The Treasury Solicitor's Department, superintends the Director of Public Prosecutions as head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), the Director of the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and the Director of Public Prosecutions in Northern Ireland. The Law Officers answer for these Departments in Parliament.
The Attorney General and the Solicitor General also deal with questions of law arising on Government Bills and with issues of legal policy. They are concerned with all major international and domestic litigation involving the Government and questions of European Community and International Law as they may affect Her Majesty's Government.
see also, http://www.lslo.gov.uk/
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Ministerial statements are made after questions and urgent questions, before the main business of the day. A minister speaks on behalf of the government to present its views to Parliament. Statements can be on any subject ranging from a new policy announcement to an important national or international event or crisis.
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Written questions tabled to ministers by MPs on the previous day are listed at the back of the order paper.
The order paper forms one section of the daily vote bundle and is issued by the Vote Office
Secretary of State was originally the title given to the two officials who conducted the Royal Correspondence under Elizabeth I. Now it is the title held by some of the more important Government Ministers, for example the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.