Part of the debate – in the House of Commons am 12:00 am ar 25 Ionawr 1949.
The speech of the hon. Member had provoked me into doing something like that. I happened to see an advertisement of British Railways and all I did was to read out of the paper some of the fares printed there, of excursions which were being run on the following Sunday. It was quite clear to the House and the hon. Member has not challenged the validity of the fares I read from the paper. What the hon. Member says is, "Yes, but there are various different types of excursion and we were not talking about the same types." That may well be true. In point of fact what I read was exactly a reproduction of the advertisement that appeared in the newspaper for the special excursion facilities.
Now he charges me with misleading the House by saying that fares were only 10 per cent. above the 1928 level. It is important that we should get this right, because the hon. Gentleman says that I am wrong. In column 1524 of HANSARD I was quoting the main line fares. I said that they are all 55 per cent. up on prewar. I turned up the fares for 1928. This is really most significant. I had no knowledge about this until I looked up the figures. In point of fact, the fares we paid in 1948 were only about 10 per cent. up on the 1928 level. I am referring to the monthly return tickets which I had been talking about. That is accurate. The hon. Gentleman, as my hon. Friend the Member for West Swansea (Mr. P. Morris) said, is not talking about the same thing at all. The normal return fare in 1928 was double the ordinary single fare, whereas today the normal return fare is single fare plus one-third. That is the difference.
Because I knew the point the hon. Gentleman intended to make, I prepared some figures. In 1928 they were three-monthly return fares: today they are monthly.