I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is entirely wrong. The figures which Sir Cyril Hurcomb sent me showed that the percentage of journeys on cheap fares in 1947 represented five per cent. of the total fares. The figures were not complete because the information was not available, but in 1948 they were over double—probably 12 per cent. There is no doubt about these figures. If the hon. Gentleman travels by train he must notice how scarce facilities are in comparison with 1938.