I did not express an opinion. I said that those ports had not been put out of action but continued to play their part in the same way as Rosyth and the Clyde. My hon. Friend the Member for North Edinburgh (Mr. Willis) desires to have Rosyth Dockyard declared a permanent institution. I cannot quite understand what is meant by this permanency because even if we get the four dockyards, the possibility is that a smaller number of men will be employed.