National Coal Board (House Purchase)

Oral Answers to Questions — Coal Industry – in the House of Commons am 12:00 am ar 19 Mehefin 1947.

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Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames 12:00, 19 Mehefin 1947

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power the number of houses purchased by the National Coal Board at prices in excess of £5,000.

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I have no information about properties purchased by the National Coal Board other than what I have seen in the Press.

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

Does that characteristically helpful reply mean that the right hon. Gentleman is blissfully ignorant of the expenditure of large sums of money on the purchase of large and luxurious houses for senior officials, or does it mean that he does know but does not care two hoots?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I could hardly be regarded as ignorant after reading the daily Press.

Photo of Mr William Brown Mr William Brown , Rugby

Is the Minister aware that if the officials are indeed accom- modated in luxurious premises, this will be the first time in the whole of my connection with the public service that that has been true.

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

While this is primarly a matter for the National Coal Board, it should be made known to hon. Members, who are apparently unaware of the fact, that houses are provided—whether luxurious or otherwise I cannot say—for the higher salaried employees of the Board under contractual obligations which are imposed upon the Board by the terms of an Act of Parliament.

Photo of Mr Charles Byers Mr Charles Byers , Dorset Northern

If that is so, is it not about time that Parliament had some control over this expenditure?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

Parliament, including the hon. Gentleman who has asked me this supplementary question, decided in its wisdom that this power should be conferred on the National Coal Board, and I have no authority to vary it.

Photo of Mr Stanley Awbery Mr Stanley Awbery , Bristol Central

Would my right hon. Friend ascertain the number of houses purchased and owned by the coalowners prior to nationalisation?

Photo of Mr Derek Walker-Smith Mr Derek Walker-Smith , Hertford

Can the Minister say whether these are tied houses or not?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

They are just as much tied under the Coal Board as under private ownership.

Photo of Sir Norman Hulbert Sir Norman Hulbert , Stockport

If the Minister does not know how many houses have been purchased, does he know how many have been burned down?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I have read in the newspapers that one was burned down.

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

Can the right hon. Gentleman explain how it is that he knows the terms on which the houses are held but does not know how many are in fact concerned?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I know of the terms because I happen to know the provisions of the Act of Parliament.