Coal Board Staff

Oral Answers to Questions — Coal Industry – in the House of Commons am 12:00 am ar 1 Mai 1947.

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Photo of Mr Stephen Swingler Mr Stephen Swingler , Stafford 12:00, 1 Mai 1947

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power the total number of the staff employed at the London headquarters of the National Coal Board.

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

Staffing is a matter of management for which the National Coal Board are responsible. In view, however, of the recent statement in the Press that the headquarters staff of the Board had reached the alarming total of 11,000, the Board have asked me to let the House know the truth. The total of the clerical, administrative and professional staff employed in London is about 850, and this includes London staffs formerly engaged in coal industry activities of one kind or another now transferred to the Board, and the transferred staff of the Coal Commission.

Photo of Mr Stephen Swingler Mr Stephen Swingler , Stafford

Will the Minister name the newspaper which has made these fantastic misrepresentations?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I should have thought that was obvious.

Photo of Mr Oliver Crosthwaite-Eyre Mr Oliver Crosthwaite-Eyre , New Forest and Christchurch

Will the Minister take the opportunity to express—[HON. MEMBERS: "Express' is right."]—to the National Coal Board the deep satisfaction of the House at being allowed to know something of what is happening?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

The trouble with certain hon. Members on the other side of the House is that when the truth is exposed they cannot stand it.

Photo of Mr Anthony Marlowe Mr Anthony Marlowe , Brighton

May we take it that the right hon. Gentleman is able to get information from the Coal Board when it is favourable to him, but that he is unable to get it when it is unfavourable?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

Not at all. The hon. and learned Member is quite wrong. But when there is gross misrepresentation it is desirable to state the facts.

Photo of Mr Samuel Silverman Mr Samuel Silverman , Nelson and Colne

Is my right hon. Friend aware of any reason to suppose that the newspaper in question, if it had gone to the Coal Board for information before printing its sensational misrepresentations, would have been denied the facts?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

Of course that is a matter for the newspaper in question. If newspapers insist on obtaining information before they make themselves responsible for publication, it may affect their circulation.

Photo of Mr John Boyd-Carpenter Mr John Boyd-Carpenter , Kingston upon Thames

Arising out of the original answer, can the right hon. Gentleman give an assurance that information as to Coal Board staffs will in future be available, provided it is asked for from his own side of the House?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

Oh, no. I am responsible to the requirements of the House in general; indeed, I must be, but it depends on the merits of the Question that is put to me.

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Photo of Sir Godfrey Nicholson Sir Godfrey Nicholson , Farnham

On a point of Order. The Minister says he will select the sort of Questions he will answer—[HON. MEMBERS: "No."]—according to his own choice. Are we not justified, Mr. Speaker, in asking for your protection in this matter?

Photo of Mr Douglas Clifton Brown Mr Douglas Clifton Brown , Hexham

The Minister is responsible for Questions about the Coal Board and if he answers, he answers for a particular reason, I presume. It is not within my power to insist that he shall answer. I cannot interfere with his power.

Photo of Sir Godfrey Nicholson Sir Godfrey Nicholson , Farnham

Is there not something wrong—[HON. MEMBERS: "Yes.'']—after all, the Minister is a servant of the House—that he should be so selective in the sort of Questions he chooses to answer? It is quite understandable if he answers no Questions, or if he answers every Question, but it is not understandable that he should answer only those which are suitable to himself.

Photo of Mr Douglas Clifton Brown Mr Douglas Clifton Brown , Hexham

It is not in my power to tell the Minister what Questions he should answer; that is not within my province.

Photo of Sir Godfrey Nicholson Sir Godfrey Nicholson , Farnham

I appeal to you, Sir, as guardian of the rights of Private Members. It is for the Government or the House to decide whether a Minister shall be entitled to answer Questions in regard to a certain body, but it is surely for you to protect us?

Photo of Mr Douglas Clifton Brown Mr Douglas Clifton Brown , Hexham

It is for the House to say if a Minister is not efficient—[HON. MEMBERS: "We know that."]—it is entirely for the House, and not for me. If the House decide, they can deal with the Minister, but I cannot direct the Minister as to what Questions he should or should not answer, and the Minister is always entitled to refuse to answer.

Photo of Brigadier Sir Harry Mackeson Brigadier Sir Harry Mackeson , Hythe

asked the Minister of Fuel and Power what instructions he has given to the National Coal Board in connection with the number of persons they employ on clerical and administrative duties.

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I have given no instructions to the National Coal Board on the subject referred to.

Photo of Brigadier Sir Harry Mackeson Brigadier Sir Harry Mackeson , Hythe

Does the Minister intend to take any steps to limit the numbers involved in view of the great shortage of manpower?

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I gave an answer earlier which corrected some of these gross misrepresentations on the subject of the number of persons employed in the National Coal Board.

Photo of Brigadier Sir Harry Mackeson Brigadier Sir Harry Mackeson , Hythe

That was not the question I asked. I asked whether the Minister was taking any steps to avert the danger.

Photo of Mr Emanuel Shinwell Mr Emanuel Shinwell , Seaham

I do not think there is any danger at all. I must leave these matters to the people on the National Coal Board.