Internal Security Instructions.

Oral Answers to Questions — British Army. – in the House of Commons am ar 4 Gorffennaf 1939.

Danfonwch hysbysiad imi am ddadleuon fel hyn

Photo of Sir Geoffrey Mander Sir Geoffrey Mander , Wolverhampton East

asked the Secretary of State for War whether any instructions have at any time been issued by the War Office to units of the Regular or Territorial Army regarding the undesirability of accepting as recruits, persons who have served in the International Brigade in Spain?

Photo of Sir Victor Warrender Sir Victor Warrender , Grantham

I have nothing to add to the answer given by my right hon. Friend to the hon. Member for Jarrow (Miss Wilkinson) on 23rd May last.

Photo of Sir Geoffrey Mander Sir Geoffrey Mander , Wolverhampton East

Is it not clear that that answer did not deal with the point I am asking to-day, and is it not the case, and is it not well known to many persons, that instructions have been issued by the War Office to units saying that no British subject who has served in the International Brigade shall be accepted for the Army?

Photo of Sir Victor Warrender Sir Victor Warrender , Grantham

The facts as stated by the hon. Gentleman are not accurate. Such orders have not been issued. Like any employer in civil life, the army reserves the right to inquire into the character of recruits.

Photo of Sir Geoffrey Mander Sir Geoffrey Mander , Wolverhampton East

Do I understand the Minister to say that no instructions of any kind bearing on this subject have been issued to units referring to service in the International Brigade? Do I understand him to say that in view of what many of us know?

Photo of Sir Victor Warrender Sir Victor Warrender , Grantham

The hon. Member must not understand that. What I say is that no instructions have been issued that men should be rejected on the ground of service in the International Brigade.

Photo of Miss Ellen Wilkinson Miss Ellen Wilkinson , Jarrow

On a point of Order. A slur has been cast by the Financial Secretary on a body of heroic and fine citizens of this country. Have I your permission, Mr. Speaker, to ask him to withdraw?

Photo of Mr William Gallacher Mr William Gallacher , Fife Western

On a point of Order. In view of the fact that I personally know a man who was refused admission to the Army because he was in the International Brigade

Photo of Miss Ellen Wilkinson Miss Ellen Wilkinson , Jarrow

On a point of Order. Have you not yourself ruled on various occasions, Mr. Speaker, that slurs should not be cast either by private Members or by Ministers? May I appeal to you to ask the Financial Secretary to withdraw that slur?

Photo of Mr Samuel Silverman Mr Samuel Silverman , Nelson and Colne

You said you heard no slur cast upon the character of these men, but did not the Minister say that no special instructions had been given to reject men who had come from the International Brigade, but that in connection with cases of that kind the Army reserves to itself the right to inquire into their character and references?

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I did not hear that, but perhaps the Financial Secretary would like to explain.

Photo of Sir Victor Warrender Sir Victor Warrender , Grantham

I think there has been some little misunderstanding. Any man who offers himself as a recruit for the Army may have to produce a reference, and these men are treated in exactly the same way as—

Photo of Miss Ellen Wilkinson Miss Ellen Wilkinson , Jarrow

You know that that is not true.

Hon. Members:

Withdraw.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

The hon. Lady speaks of casting slurs, but surely she is casting a slur now, and she ought certainly to withdraw that remark.

Photo of Miss Ellen Wilkinson Miss Ellen Wilkinson , Jarrow

I will certainly withdraw if the Minister will withdraw first.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

An explanation has been given.

Photo of Mr Samuel Silverman Mr Samuel Silverman , Nelson and Colne

The point of Order I wish to raise is that. I put something to you which you said you did not hear, and you said at the same time that the Minister might like the opportunity of explaining. In the course of that explanation, owing to an incident with which I had no concern, the Financial Secretary was stopped, and I wish now to ask whether we ought not to have the completion of the explanation which the Minister was making.

Photo of Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy Lieut-General Edward Fitzroy , Daventry

I think the explanation was given.

Photo of Mr William Gallacher Mr William Gallacher , Fife Western

I want to give notice that, owing to the unsatisfactory nature of the answer, I shall raise this matter on the Adjournment.