Clause 10. — (Power of Minister to act in default of county councils who have not provided sufficient smallholdings).

Orders of the Day — Agricultural Land (Utilisation) Bill. – in the House of Commons am ar 24 Gorffennaf 1931.

Danfonwch hysbysiad imi am ddadleuon fel hyn

Lords Amendment: Leave out the Clause.

Photo of Dr Christopher Addison Dr Christopher Addison , Swindon

I beg to move, "That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said Amendment".

Photo of Mr George Lane-Fox Mr George Lane-Fox , Barkston Ash

There are many counties which at the present moment are doing well and carrying out their duty in regard to the provisions of smallholdings, and I do not think it would be advisable to withhold from them the privileges that other counties have got. This Bill seems to be creating a new class of subsidised smallholders.

Photo of Dr Christopher Addison Dr Christopher Addison , Swindon

No, that is quite wrong. We are offering them the same terms, and we are simply carrying out the old arrangements.

Photo of Mr George Lane-Fox Mr George Lane-Fox , Barkston Ash

What I am afraid of is that under the terms of this Bill the conditions will be altered. I suggest that many county councils have carried out their duty, and have done their work very well in this respect.

Photo of Dr Christopher Addison Dr Christopher Addison , Swindon

I agree that some county councils have done excellently and all we want is to ensure that they will go on doing their duty in this respect.

Photo of Sir George Newton Sir George Newton , Cambridge

We have been told that the county councils are not doing all that they ought to do in regard to the provision of smallholdings. Whatever view the Minister takes I respectfully suggest that by this Bill he is setting up a dual system of smallholdings management. Any loss incurred in regard to furnishing smallholdings will have to be borne by the taxpayer.

Question put, "That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

The House divided: Ayes, 198; Noes, 122.

Division No. 457.]AYES.[2.41 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (File, West)Aske, Sir RobertBroad, Francis Alfred
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock)Attlee, Clement RichardBrooke, W.
Addison, Rt. Hon. Dr. ChristopherBaker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston)Brown, C. W. E. (Notts, Mansfield)
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigie M.Barnes, Alfred JohnBrown, Ernest (Leith)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro')Benn, Rt. Hon. WedgwoodBuchanan, G.
Alpass, J. H.Bennett, Sir E. N. (Cardiff, Central)Burgess, F. G.
Ammon, Charles GeorgeBennett, William (Battersea, South)Burgin, Dr. E. L.
Angell, Sir NormanBenson, G.Buxton, C. R. (Yorks, W. R. Elland)
Arnott, JohnBondfield, Rt. Hon. MargaretCaine, Hall-, Derwent
Cameron, A. G.Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly)Richards, R.
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.)Kelly, W. T.Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Chater, DanielKennedy, Rt. Hon. ThomasRiley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Church, Major A. G.Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M.Ritson, J.
Clarke, J. S.Knight, HolfordRoberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Cluse, W. S.Lang, GordonRomeril, H. G.
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R.Lansbury, Rt. Hon. GeorgeRosbotham, D. S. T.
Cocks, Frederick SeymourLaw, Albert (Bolton)Rowson, Guy
Daggar, GeorgeLaw, A. (Rossendale)Salter, Dr. Alfred
Dalton, HughLawrence, SusanSamuel, H. Walter (Swansea, West)
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd)Lawson, John JamesSanders, W. S.
Denman, Hon. R. D.Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle)Sawyer, G. F.
Devlin, JosephLeach, W.Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Dudgeon, Major C. R.Lee, Frank (Darby, N. E.)Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Duncan, CharlesLees, J.Sherwood, G. H.
Ede, James ChuterLeonard, W.Shield, George William
Edmunds, J. E.Lloyd, C. EllisShiels, Dr. Drummond
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty)Longbottom, A. W.Shillakar, J. F.
Egan, W. H.Lovat-Fraser, J. A.Shinwell, E.
Evans, Major Herbert (Gateshead)Lunn, WilliamShort, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Freeman, PeterMacdonald, Gordon (Ince)Simmons, C. J.
Gardner, B. W. (West Ha-n, Upton)MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw)Sitch, Charles H.
Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.)McElwee, A.Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd (Car'vn)MacLaren, AndrewSmith, Tom (Pontefract)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke)McShane, John JamesSmith, W. R. (Norwich)
Gibbins, JosephMansfield, W.Sorensen, R.
Gillett, George M.Marcus, M.Stamford, Thomas W.
Glassey, A. E.Marley, J.Strauss, G. R.
Gossling, A. G.Mathers, GeorgeTaylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Gould, F.Matters, L. W.Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.)Maxton, JamesThurtle, Ernest
Granville, E.Messer, FredTillett, Ben
Gray, MilnerMillar, J. D.Tinker, John Joseph
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan)Mills, J. E.Toole, Joseph
Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middlesbro' W.)Milner, Major J.Townend, A. E.
Graves, Thomas E.Montague, FrederickVaughan, David
Grundy, Thomas W.Morley, RalphViant, S. P.
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil)Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh)Walker, J.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel)Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.)Wallace, H. W.
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.)Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.)Watkine, F. C.
Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland)Mort, D. L.Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Hardie, David (Rutherglen)Muggeridge, H. T.Wellock, Wilfred
Hardie, G. D. (Springburn)Murnin, HughWelsh, James (Paisley)
Harris, Percy A.Naylor, T. E.West, F. R.
Hayday, ArthurNewman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)Westwood, Joseph
Hayes, John HenryNoel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.)Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood)
Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley)Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)Whiteley, William (Blaydon)
Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)Owen, Major G. (Carnarvon)Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield)Owen, H. F. (Hereford)Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Herriotts, J.Palin, John HenryWilliams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Hicks, Ernest GeorgePaling, WilfridWilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe)
Hoffman, P. C.Palmer, E. T.Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Hopkin, DanielParkinson, John Allen (Wigan)Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Horrabin, J. F.Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh)
Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield)Potts, John S.Wood, Major McKenzie (Banff)
Isaacs, GeorgeQuibell, D. J. K.
John, William (Rhondda, West)Ramsay, T. B. WilsonTELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Jones, Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne)Rathbone, EleanorMr. B. Smith and Mr. Charleton.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-ColonelChadwick, Capt. Sir Robert BurtonGalbraith, J. F. W.
Albery, Irving JamesCobb, Sir CyrilGanzoni, Sir John
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W.Cohen, Major J. BruneiGault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton
Atholl, Duchess ofColman, N. C. D.Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Balniel, LordCranborne, ViscountGower, Sir Robert
Bellairs, Commander CarlyonCrichton-Stuart, Lord C.Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.)
Betterton, Sir Henry B.Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H.Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.
Birchall, Major Sir John DearmanCrookshank, Capt. H. C.Greene, W. P. Crawford
Bird, Ernest RoyCunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir PhilipGretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft.Dalrymple-White, Lt.-Col. Sir GodfreyGritten, W. G. Howard
Bowater, Col. Sir T. VansittartDavidson, Rt. Hon. J. (Hertford)Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E.
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W.Davies, Dr. VernonGunston, Captain D. W.
Briscoe, Richard GeorgeDawson, Sir PhilipHamilton, Sir George (Ilford)
Broadbent, Colonel J.Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F.Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry
Buchan, JohnDugdale, Capt. T. L.Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley)
Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.Eden, Captain AnthonyHeneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Butler, R. A.Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.)Hennessy, Major Sir G. R. J.
Cadogan, Major Hon. EdwardEverard, W. LindsayHudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.)
Campbell, E. T.Ferguson, Sir JohnHurd, Percy A.
Carver, Major W. H.Fielden, E. B.Jones, Sir G. W. H. (Stoke New'gton)
Castle Stewart, Earl ofFord, Sir P. J.Knox, Sir Alfred
Cayzer, Sir C (Chester, City)Forestier-Walker, Sir L.Lamb, Sir J. Q.
Cazaiet, Captain Victor A.Fremantie, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Moltan)
Lane Fox, Col. Rt. Hon. George R.Pownall, Sir AsshetonTaylor, Vice-Admiral E. A.
Leighton, Major B. E. P.Ramsbotham, H.Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Lewis, Oswald (Colchester)Reid, David D. (County Down)Thomson, Mitchell-, Rt. Hon. Sir W.
Llewellin, Major J. J.Remer, John R.Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Long, Major Hon. EricRentoul, Sir Gervais S.Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Macquisten, F. A.Reynolds, Col. Sir JamesWard, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham)Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)Warrender, Sir Victor
Makins, Brigadier-General E.Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)Wells, Sydney R.
Marjoribanks, EdwardRuggles-Brise, Colonel E.Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Milne, Wardlaw-, J. S.Russell, Alexander West (Tynsmouth)Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B.Salmon, Major I.Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Morrison, W. S. (Glos., Cirencester)Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)Wolmer, Rt. Hon. Viscount
Nall-Cain, A. R. N.Sandeman, Sir N. StewartWomersley, W. J.
Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge)Shepperson, Sir Ernest WhittomeWood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Peake, Capt. OsbertSmith-Carington, Neville W.Wright, Brig.-Gen. W. O. (Tavist'k)
Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)Smithers, Waldron
Perkins, W. R. D.Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)Steel-Maitland, Rt. Hon. Sir ArthurSir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Penny.
Power, Sir John CecilStewart, W. J. (Belfast South)

Bill read the Third time, and passed, without Amendment.